Bernard Lievegoed is known to a large circle of people as a university lecturer, psychiatrist, and management consultant. Publications such as "Organizations in Transition" or "Life Crises - Life Opportunities" showcase this aspect of his life and work. Another side of Lievegoed is presented to the viewer, who knows him as the author of "Man at the Threshold" or "Ancient Mysteries and Social Evolution." These are questions of understanding that occupy the anthroposophist Bernard Lievegoed. How has Lievegoed managed to connect two seemingly extreme aspects of his long life in such a remarkably productive way? This question intrigued Dutch journalist Jelle van der Meulen, who has been following Lievegoed's work for years. This led to an extensive interview that lasted three days, resulting in a vivid portrait.